bug "de répétition"

[gabgalen]

Bonjour,

J'ai remarqué un bug plus ou moins gênant dans ma partie:
Certaine fois, lorsque je met fin à une conversation les pnj répètent la dernière chose qu'ils m'ont dite
ou alors(je pense que le bug est lié) lorsque je commerce -> une fois sur 4 lorsque je ferme la fenêtre de transaction le pnj bouge des lèvres sans parler et la fenêtre revient. je dois la refermer une nouvelle fois.
Je précise que j'ai Fuz Ro D-oh
Quelqu'un saurait m'aider à résoudre ce/ces bug(s)?

Mes mods:

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"0000","+","DLC: Dawnguard"
"0001","+","DLC: HearthFires"
"0002","+","DLC: Dragonborn"
"0003","+","masters nettoyés"
"0004","+","Music - HQ"
"0005","+","Voices FR"
"0006","+","Data skse pour 1.5.97"
"0007","+","Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch - Traduction Francaise"
"0008","+","Unofficial Skyrim SE Patch - Correctif CC"
"0009","+","performance textures 1024x1024"
"0010","+","Skyrim Project Optimization"
"0011","+","WACCF - Correctif des armes, armures, vêtements et objets"
"0012","+","SMIM - Superbes Modifications Indispensables des Meshes"

-------------------Skse et fixes
"0014","+","Fuz Ro D'oh -SKSE"
"0015","+","ScaleformTranslationPP - SKSE64"
"0016","+","SkyUI_5_2_SE"
"0017","+","SkyUI SE - Flashing Savegames Fix"
"0018","+","SkyUI SE - Opt. 2 - Even Wider Rescaled MCM Menu for SkyUI"
"0019","+","SSE Fixes v3 for SSE 1.5.97"
"0020","+","Engine Fixes 4.13 for SSE 1.5.97 - skse64 plugin"
"0021","+","PapyrusUtil SE - Scripting Utility Functions"
"0022","+","YesImSure - SKSE"
"0023","+","FixNotesForSkyUI SKSE64 2.0.17"
"0024","+","FileAccess Interface for Skyrim SE Scripts - FISSES"

-------------------Textures générales
"0026","+","Amélioration des ruines nordiques"
"0027","+","High Poly Project_projet_damelioration_des_meshes"
"0028","+","Ruins Clutter Improved - Fixes 1.1"
"0029","+","Ultimate HD Fire Effects -Ultra Version - TEXTURES"
"0030","+","Underground - Retexturation des donjons"
"0031","+","A. Noble Skyrim - FULL PACK_2K"
"0032","+","Skyrim 2018 by Pfuscher"
"0033","+","Skyrim 2020 2.7 by Pfuscher"
"0034","+","Skyrim 3D Furniture"
"0035","+","Skyrim 3D Furniture SMIM patch"
"0036","+","Misc Retexture Project 2.0"
"0037","+","RUSTIC COOKING - Special Edition - 2K"
"0038","+","Projet de retexturisations oubliées"
"0039","+","High Quality Food and Ingredients SE"
"0040","+","SFCO - Mobilier et décoration chics"
"0041","+","Arri's Snow Elf Ruins Retexture 2K Textures"
"0042","+","CC's HQ Mines - 1.2 - 2K"
"0043","+","CC's HQ Caves - 2K - 1.1"
"0044","+","Gecko's Dwarven Ruins Textures"
"0045","+","Rudy HQ - Nordic Ruins SE version"
"0046","+","Rudy HQ - Misc SE - Pottery Green 2K"
"0047","+","EBT - Amélioration du sang"
"0048","+","Impacts des sorts réalistes"
"0049","+","bcs___couvertures_des_livres_de_bordeciel"
"0050","+","Routes ajustées -Blended Roads"
"0051","+","Fences of Skyrim - Weathered Edition 2K"
"0052","+","extension_des_vetements_et_armures"
"0053","+","Gemling Queen Jewelry SE"
"0054","+","jewels of the nord - high res"
"0055","+","CC's HQ Barset - 2K - 1.2"
"0056","+","Fantasy Potion Replacer"
"0057","+","Bottles of Skyrim"
"0058","+","Basic Dining Set Replacer 1k"
"0059","+","RUGNAROK - Special Edition - 2K"
"0060","+","PELTAPALOOZA Special Edition - FULL"
"0061","+","Académie de Fortdhiver immersive"

-------------------Végétation roches paysages
"0063","+","Tree Bark in High Definition"
"0064","+","HD Photorealistic Ivy"
"0065","+","Lush Vanilla Trees"
"0066","+","50 nuances d'écorce"
"0067","+","pins_tordus"
"0068","+","Verdant 1.6.1 SSE Edition"
"0069","+","1K brighter green version"
"0070","-","Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods"
"0071","+","Real Mountains - fomod"
"0072","+","Skyrim 3D Rocks"
"0073","+","Dark grey Rapid Rocks"
"0074","+","Effects by Pfuscher"
"0075","+","croissance_du_vermidor"
"0076","+","Magnifiques braises"

-------------------lieux - maisons
"0078","+","JK - Révision des cités"
"0079","+","Palais et châteaux améliorés"
"0080","+","Eli's Breezehome 1.6"
"0081","+","douce_brise"
"0082","+","Solitude Skyway SE"
"0083","+","Lanternes de Bordeciel II"
"0084","+","egouts_de_bordeciel"
"0085","+","phare_de_vendeaume"
"0086","+","ponts_des_marais_du_nord"
"0087","+","Culture tamrielienne"
"0088","-","climats - nuages - lumieres_separator"
"0089","+","Arctic - Frost Effects Redux"
"0090","+","HQ Snow Texture 3.4.2"
"0091","+","ETHEREAL CLOUDS - Special Edition - 2K"
"0092","+","STARS v3 x1024"
"0093","+","Skyrim Texture Overhaul - Moons 1K"
"0094","+","Météo vive"
"0095","+","DustEffectsSSE"
"0096","+","ELFX - Amélioration des effets lumineux SSE"
"0097","+","ELFX Fixes-ESL"
"0098","+","Smoking Torches and Candles SSE"
"0099","+","Darker Nights 1.7p13"
"0100","+","Quick Light SE"
"0101","+","Carte du monde de qualité"
"0102","+","VolcanicHeatHaze-by-fadingsignal.rar"

-------------------correctifs
"0104","+","elle_est_a_qui_cette_quete"
"0105","+","1st Person Candlelight Fix"
"0106","+","haste___ajustements_divers_et_varies"
"0107","+","Better Jumping SE - SKSE"
"0108","+","Enchantment Reload Fix SE - SKSE"
"0109","+","Flora respawn fix- correctif_pour_la_reapparition_de_la_flore"
"0110","+","Hearthfires Houses Building Fix"
"0111","+","Better Harvesting - Meilleure récolte SSE"
"0112","+","Multiple Floors Sandboxing"
"0113","+","Auto Hide Ammo"
"0114","+","courez_pour_votre_vie"
"0115","+","D13 Faster Get Up Stand Up SSE"
"0116","+","correctif_des_enfants"
"0117","+","plus_de_morts_tournoyantes"
"0118","+","le_dilemme_paarthurnax"
"0119","+","epousez_serana"
"0120","+","entreposage_des_objets"
"0121","+","meilleur_rendu_des_enchantements"
"0122","+","No Crime Teleport"
"0123","+","Quest Conflict Fixes"
"0124","+","savez_vous_qui_je_suis"

-------------------interfaces
"0126","+","RaceMenu Special Edition"
"0127","+","extensions_de_linterface"
"0128","+","Immersive HUD - fr"
"0129","+","StayAtSystemPageSE - SKSE64"
"0130","+","More Informative Console for SKSE 2.17"
"0131","+","MOREHUD FR"
"0132","-","moreHUD Inventory Edition"
"0133","+","AMatterOfTime_v3_0_0_alpha"
"0134","+","DisplayEnemyLevelSE 1.1.2 for Skyrim"
"0135","+","Atlas - Marqueurs de carte"
"0136","+","SkyHUD"
"0137","+","Customizable UI Replacer SkyHUD SE"
"0138","+","Small Cursor"
"0139","+","Better MessageBox Controls"
"0140","+","Better Dialogue Controls"
"0141","+","Font Overhaul - Books and Notes Only"
"0142","+","Sovngarde - Mist's Font Replacer Bold V8.9"

-------------------gameplay
"0144","+","Ordonnateur - Atouts de Bordeciel"
"0145","+","summermyst___enchantements_de_bordeciel"
"0146","+","Amélioration de l'IA"
"0147","+","Citoyens immersifs - Refonte de l'IA"
"0148","+","reduction_du_poids_ultime"
"0149","+","Better Stealth AI for Followers"
"0150","+","Rich Skyrim Merchants"
"0151","+","les_exigences_de_calcelmo"
"0152","+","la_guilde_des_voleurs_pour_les_bonnes_gens"
"0153","+","exterminer_la_confrerie_noire_et_recuperer_crindombre"
"0154","+","Regarde c'que tu vois !"
"0155","+","quel_est_le_niveau_de_cette_persuasion"
"0156","+","EBQO - Objectifs de quêtes améliorés"
"0157","+","ars_metallica___amelioration_de_la_forge"
"0158","+","eclats_celestes"
"0159","+","nouvelle_chasse_au_tresor"
"0160","+","tresors_caches"
"0161","+","Khajiit Merchants Buy Stolen Items"
"0162","+","Saadia - Time of Need"
"0163","+","campement_argonien_de_lepave"
"0164","+","rejoignez_le_penitus_oculatus"
"0165","+","devenez_barde"
"0166","+","epilogues_de_la_garde_de_laube_et_du_clan_volkihar"
"0167","+","missions_de_la_guilde_des_voleurs_en_simultane"
"0168","+","Retrouver Derkeethus"

-------------------animaux monstres
"0170","+","Pack de textures pour animaux et créatures"
"0171","+","BellyAches HD Dragon Replacer 1.4"
"0172","+","dragonfire___amelioration_des_souffles"
"0173","+","SkyTEST - Animaux et prédateurs réalistes"
"0174","+","SSEWolvesReplacer.7z"
"0175","+","SABRECAT.by.Kajuan"
"0176","+","Destriers plus pratiques"
"0177","+","Mammoth.by.Kajuan"
"0178","+","Giant.by.Kajuan"
"0179","+","Draugr améliorés"
"0180","+","Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan"
"0181","+","Troll.by.Kajuan"
"0182","+","Wispmother.by.Kajuan"
"0183","+","Improved Shadowmere - Red Saddle - Crindombre"

-------------------armes armures competences etc
"0185","+","Pickaxe Redone"
"0186","+","armures_immersives"
"0187","+","armes_de_la_forgeciel"
"0188","+","Les Artefacts de Zim"
"0189","+","Uniques uniques"
"0190","+","Sabres, épées et haches par JaySuS"
"0191","+","Sac à dos de Tupii - Special Edition"
"0192","+","Anneaux à la main gauche (modifié)"
"0193","+","anneaux_des_anciens"
"0194","+","Des capes en Bordeciel"
"0195","+","appareils_de_vision_assistee_dwemers"
"0196","+","RUSTIC CLOTHING - Special Edition - 2K"
"0197","+","espadons_perdus"
"0198","+","La Lame glacée du Monarque SSE"
"0199","+","Arc - le_chasseur"
"0200","+","refonte_des_armes_de_thane"
"0201","+","Robe d'archimage améliorée"
"0202","+","Witch Hunter Armor UNP SE"
"0203","+","DX Witch Hunter Armor - UNP VF"

-------------------characters pnj joueur
"0205","+","Natural Eyes"
"0206","+","ApachiiHairNPC - Coupes de cheveux de Bordeciel pour PNJ"
"0207","+","Textures pour mâle khajiit (gris tigré et léopard)"
"0208","+","Textures pour mâle argonien (caméléon et lézard)"
"0209","+","Metalsabers Beautiful Vampires of Skyrim (No Glowing Eyes)"
"0210","+","UNP Female Body Renewal"
"0211","+","Tempered Skins for Males - Nude Version"
"0212","+","Textures pour femelle khajiit (gris tigré et léopard)"
"0213","+","Textures pour femelle argonienne (caméléon et lézard)"
"0214","+","ApachiiSkyHairFemale_v_1_5_Optimized"
"0215","+","ApachiiSkyHair_v_1_6_Full_optimized"
"0216","+","Hvergelmir's Aesthetics - Beards"
"0217","+","Lydia - Housecarl of Whiterun Apachii Hiar"
"0218","+","NaturalTeeth_LessYellow_v1-0.7z"
"0219","+","Elegant Beauty Stunning Eyes Remasters - SE"
"0220","+","Remove Facial Dirt"
"0221","+","INIGO_V2.4C SE"
"0222","+","selene_kate"
"0223","+","Frankly HD Miraak [SSE]"
"0224","+","Luna l'archère sensuelle"
"0225","+","UNPB Spice gear 1.3"
"0226","+","Tiwa44 Minidresses Collection UNP_BBP_SSE"
"0227","+","TMB Vanilla Armors and Clothes SSE"
"0228","+","CBP Physics"
"0229","+","XP32 Maximum Skeleton Special Extended"
"0230","+","Outlaws and Revolutionaries v1.1 fr"
"0231","+","Aesthetic Elisif 1.0"
"0232","+","Feminine Jarl Sitting Animation_SE V1.0"
"0233","+","FNIS Sexy Move SE 7.2"
"0234","+","mofu_1Hand Sword Power attack forward SSE"
"0235","+","Les enfants vont bien"
"0236","+","IDRS - Improved Disabled Race Scaling ESPFE"
"0237","+","adoptions_multiples_pour_hearthfire"
"0238","+","gdo___dialogues_des_gardes_ameliores"
"0239","+","iaft___ajustement_des_compagnons"
"0240","+","My Home is Your Home fr"
"0241","+","Realistic Conversations with natural social behaviors"

-------------------textures indiv
"0243","+","Archery Target Retexture"
"0244","+","Training Dummies 2k Texture Replacer"
"0245","+","Ash Guardian Retexture"
"0246","+","Ash Spawn Retexture"
"0247","+","CC's HQ Carts - 2K - 1.0"
"0248","+","HD Reworked Ores"
"0249","+","RUSTIC SOULGEMS - Special Edition - 2K Unsorted"
"0250","+","Stalhrim Source 2K v3.1"
"0251","+","Ryan's Shrines"
"0252","+","Septim Gold Coins HD"
"0253","+","Lockpick graduation by Lilyu (Option 3)"
"0254","+","Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks"
"0255","+","JS Dragon Claws SE 1k Textures"
"0256","+","jouets_pour_enfants"
"0257","+","Chests_WashedOut"
"0258","+","HD Model Ship"
"0259","+","2K Remade HD Better Dust Piles"
"0260","+","Retextured Salts 2K version II"
"0261","+","SavrenX Black Chrome Molag Mace"
"0262","+","SavrenX Rueful Volendrung Magnus"
"0263","+","Simply Better Torches"
"0264","+","Northern Shores 2K"
"0265","+","gemmes_spirituelles_appropriees"
"0266","+","Rallys Farming Tools"

-------------------Later
"0268","+","Corrections du terrain pour les mods d'herbe"
"0269","+","Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP v1"
"0270","+","BFWF - Cutting Room Floor Patch"
"0271","+","QUASIPC - Qwinn's Unified Automated Self Installing Patch Compendium"
"0272","+","FNIS Behavior SE"
"0273","+","vivez_une_nouvelle_vie"
"0274","+","vivez_une_nouvelle_vie___nouveaux_departs"
"0275","+","RWT - Eau réaliste"
"0276","+","SSEEdit cache"
"0277","+","bashed patch"
"0278","+","Fnis patch"

[Yani]

Hello!
Je te conseille de désactiver les mods susceptibles de causer ce problème.
Regarde si tu as encore le problème et sinon, continue à désactiver les mods un à un.

Personnellement et au vu de ton load order, je suspecte une incompatibilité entre ces mods :
- Realistic Conversations with natural social behaviors
- Citoyens immersifs - Refonte de l'IA
- Amélioration de l'IA
- Better Dialogue Controls
- Better MessageBox Controls
- Quest Conflict Fixes

Après, c'est tout à fait possible que ce ne soit aucun de ceux-là et qu'il faille en désactiver d'autres.

[Daichi]

PS : vaut mieux faire l'inverse, tout désactiver et réactiver au fur et à mesure. Utile pour savoir si ça vient des mods ou de la sauvegarde/des inis/autre !

[gabgalen]

merci pour vos réponses
j'ai fait cela mais comme le bug ne ce fait pas à chaque fois, cela devient difficile de savoir si on l'a résolu ou pas hahaha
lorsque j'active un mod je dois faire des dizaines de test avant de me dire que ce n'est surement pas lui

Je vais test les mods que tu soupçonnes Yani

Je ferai un retour après les test cela servira peut être plus tard pour un autre utilisateur

[gabgalen]

... je suspecte une incompatibilité entre ces mods :
- Realistic Conversations with natural social behaviors
- Citoyens immersifs - Refonte de l'IA
- Amélioration de l'IA
- Better Dialogue Controls
- Better MessageBox Controls
- Quest Conflict Fixes
...

après test, aucun des mods cités n'est en cause
j'ai également enlevé UIextension d'interface qui faisait conflit avec better MessageBox Controls: le problème est toujours présent.
je continuerai à chercher merci pour votre aide

[Yani]

Est-ce que tu as essayé sur une nouvelle partie ?
Sinon, il faut que tu le fasses.

Parce qu'il est possible que le bug soit lié à ta sauvegarde (ce qui le rend difficilement corrigeable, oui).

EDIT : Je viens de remarquer que tu as le mod "Savez-vous qui je suis ?" qui peut aussi poser problème.
Tu peux essayer de le désactiver aussi.

[Daichi]

Aussi, normal que UI Extension soit en conflit avec Better MessageBox, mais ne t'en fais pas, ça ne cause aucuns bugs puisque c'est purement un conflit de fichiers d'interface

[gabgalen]

Est-ce que tu as essayé sur une nouvelle partie ?

Non, au moment où j'avais créé ce sujet. Mais je viens de faire des tests sur une nouvelle partie le problème persiste.

Je viens de remarquer que tu as le mod "Savez-vous qui je suis ?" qui peut aussi poser problème.
Tu peux essayer de le désactiver aussi.

Je l'ai désactivé sur une nouvelle partie, il n'est pas coupable

Globalement, j'ai désactivé tous les mods a l'exception de skse, skyui et vivre une nouvelle vie> j'ai fait un start à la jument pavoisée de Blancherive en me refilant 100000gold par la console, puis après une dizaine d’échange avec Ulda je deco sans sauvegarder et active les mods 5 par 5.

de "0007" à "0203" je n'avais pas le bug (cf mes mods dans mon premier sujet)
puis quand j'ai commencé la partie characters pnj joueur
j'ai commencé à avoir le probleme en activant des mods dans la zone
"0230","+","Outlaws and Revolutionaries v1.1 fr"
\\...
"0239","+","iaft___ajustement_des_compagnons"

j'ai donc fait des tests un par un dans cette zone et ça a bugué avec GDO dialogue de garde ameliorée , ainsi qu'avec Outlaws and Revolutionarie
j'ai desactivé les 2...... le bug continue

Donc j'en suis au même point hahaha mais il semblerait que le fautif soit localisé dans ma section: characters pnj joueur

Aussi, normal que UI Extension soit en conflit avec Better MessageBox, mais ne t'en fais pas, ça ne cause aucuns bugs puisque c'est purement un conflit de fichiers d'interface

Oui c'est ce que j'ai compris par la suite en regardant sur le nexus.